In 2017, Reality Labs Chief Scientist Michael Abrash, backed by Meta Founder & CEO Mark Zuckerberg, established a new, secret team within what was then Oculus Research to build the foundation of the next computing platform. Their herculean task: Create a custom silicon solution that could support the unique demands of future augmented reality glasses—a technical feat that required reimagining every component for an all-day wearable AR glasses form factor that simply didn’t exist yet.

Front angle of Orion AR glasses prototype.

Compact Form Factor, Considerable Problem Space

Growing from just a few researchers to hundreds of people on the product side, the custom silicon team was built on the premise that AR glasses couldn’t rely on the silicon available in today’s smartphones. And it’s a premise borne out by the several custom chips inside Орион, our first true AR glasses product prototype.

“Building the ship as it sails out of the harbor—that was exactly what we were doing,” says Advanced Technologies Strategy Director Jeremy Snodgrass. “We had to scale up what was a modest team while building these chips simultaneously. It was fascinating to see the leadership bring new hires on board while developing a culture that values agility. Nothing was someone else’s problem. You’d pick up an oar and start rowing, even if it wasn’t exactly what you were hired to do. It was a very, very exciting time.”

“Almost everything about Orion was new to the world in a lot of ways,” agrees Display Architecture Technical Director Mike Yee. “Some of the ideas had been out there, but no one had taken on the research project to actually build an all-day wearable pair of AR glasses.”

The team had to deliver a compelling AR experience with as little power consumption as possible. The glasses form factor can only dissipate so much heat, and it can only accommodate so much battery capacity. As a result, the experiences it’s possible to deliver on the glasses are completely dependent upon the silicon. In other words, if you hold constant the thermal and battery capacities, the only way to deliver a given experience is to optimize the silicon.

“Designing a new architecture for Orion required the team to not only push existing technologies like wireless and displays aggressively but also to take risks on new technologies,” says Director of Product Management Neeraj Choubey. “For instance, the team developed a machine learning (ML) accelerator without a clear use case at the time, driven by the strong conviction that ML would become increasingly important in Meta’s products. On Orion, every ML accelerator is utilized, and in some cases, they’re oversubscribed, serving functions such as eye tracking and hand tracking. Similarly, the team developed custom compression protocols to reduce bandwidth and power consumption as data moved from the compute puck to the display. Developing custom silicon to achieve Orion’s form factor goals required both a tolerance for high ambiguity and meticulous attention to detail to deliver an incredibly complex system architecture.”

“The biggest challenge we had was delivering the 3D world-locked rendered graphics, along with spatialized audio that’s rendered such that it appears to be emanating from a virtual object,” notes Snodgrass. “We had to fit all these electronics into the thermal capacity and physical space, and then run it on the battery so that it doesn’t get too hot. And we had to do all that in an actual glasses form factor—not a big visor like you typically see in the category.”

“We knew how to deliver the necessary compute power to bring our vision for Orion to life, but we faced a daunting task: reducing power consumption by a factor of 100,” says Director of SoC Solutions Robert Shearer. “This required us to push the boundaries of silicon design, embracing methodologies from diverse corners of the industry—from IoT to high-performance computing—and inventing new approaches to bridge the gaps. Our industry partners thought we were crazy, and perhaps they weren’t entirely wrong. But that’s exactly what it took: a willingness to challenge conventional wisdom and rethink everything. Building a computer that seamlessly merges the virtual and physical worlds demands a profound understanding of context, far surpassing what existing compute platforms can offer. In essence, we’ve reinvented the way computers interact with humans, which meant reimagining how we build silicon from the ground up.”

Orion exterior components.

The Magic of MicroLEDs

There were moments when things fell behind schedule or a seemingly insurmountable technical challenge arose when it was hard to maintain momentum and morale. But the team was resilient, finding paths around obstacles—or simply knocking them down.

Take, for example, Orion’s display. The silicon team was responsible for the silicon in the display projector that sits in the glasses’ corners.

“For those projectors, there was an open question as to whether we could get the microLEDs in an array at high enough efficiency and brightness to deploy a wide field of view display,” Snodgrass says. “There was tremendous doubt that we could—that it was possible in the time frame we were considering—because this was very nascent technology.”

“We realized very early on that we had to rethink a lot of the paradigms of product development,” adds Yee. “The amount of light that you need to make a usable display is quite a bit brighter for AR glasses because, as a wearable display, you’re competing with the sun. So we need energy levels that rival that—or at least that’s the goal. We’re not quite there yet, but that’s a big piece of it. And that means you need light sources for a display that are capable of that and you need circuitry that can control that. And at the same time, you need to make it tiny.”

Custom silicon driving Orion’s µLEDs.

While microLEDs seemed the most suitable light source for the projectors, silicon helped unlock their potential.

“With displays, we talk about pixel pitches, which are the distances between the center points of adjacent pixels,” Yee explains. “For TVs, those distances are hundreds of microns. In your phone, there are many, many tens of microns. And we needed to get that down into the single digits. The only known semiconductor manufacturing that could get there was silicon.”

Complicating the work was the fact that the back surface of the display had to be a piece of silicon, and no one in the world had been designing silicon for microLEDs.

“At the time, the research teams that were out there had all repurposed liquid crystal on silicon displays to put microLEDs on,” says Yee. “Nobody had ever designed a backplane for microLEDs before. And we faced a pretty unique challenge because it’s an optical component. It has to be flat. You can’t scratch it. It has to have all these characteristics because when you look through the waveguides, through the projectors, you’re literally looking at the top surface of the piece of silicon.”

The silicon team developed a complex series of test platforms for these microLED displays that involved coordinating closely with our global suppliers. The microLEDs have a global footprint, originating in one spot and then transferred to another site where they were put onto a wafer. The wafers were then shipped off to be cut into a particular shape, followed by a trip to the US to be bonded together with another wafer, then shipped back across the globe for the actual module to be built and tested. It was an enormously complicated process, and the silicon team developed test vehicles to prove out each step.

The team also needed to find a way to deliver power to microLED displays in the tiny volume of the glasses’ corners. Our analog team developed a custom power management chip that fit inside that volume.

“Power delivery is crucial for such small form factor wearable devices, where battery size is limited and space is at a premium,” notes Director of Analog and Mixed Signal Systems Jihong Ren. “Our customized Power Management IC solution leverages cutting-edge technologies to optimize power efficiency for our specific workload at the system level, all while fitting within the available space constraints. Achieving this optimal solution required close interdisciplinary collaboration with our mechanical, electrical, SoC, μLED, and thermal teams, ensuring a seamless integration of all components and maximizing overall performance.”

“That was an amazing feat of not just engineering but also organizational management: bringing a team together, working across time zones and with all these different vendors,” adds Snodgrass. “In some ways, managing all that organizationally was just as much of a challenge as meeting the technical specs.”

“Not only is the design custom, the entire fabrication process is customized,” adds Yee. “We’re fortunate to have some wonderful partners in the industry that helped make that happen. They see long-term potential in AR displays as a whole and certainly Meta’s vision for it. So they’ve been willing to partner with us to make those customizations and optimizations happen to enable that display.”

Orion AR glasses.

Iteration Meets Acceleration

There was a tight feedback loop between the silicon team and the brilliant minds in Reality Labs Research and XR Tech developing algorithms. The latter teams would provide these algorithms, which the former would translate into hardware, removing the overhead of general-purpose CPU-running software. That meant that the algorithms would run at lower power, but it also meant the silicon team was locked in. Once the algorithms were hardened, they could no longer make changes.

“Say XR Tech was developing a certain discipline algorithmically,” explains Silicon Accelerators Architecture and Algorithms Director Ohad Meitav. “They own the algorithmic stack and its performance. My team, in collaboration with them, would then decide how to accelerate the algorithm, how to harden parts of the algorithm, and how to actually put it into the hardware in a way that runs super efficiently. Then XR Tech would adapt their software stack to account for the hardware. It’s a very iterative process.”

Another success story is the silicon team’s collaboration with Reality Labs Research to come up with a novel reprojection algorithm.

“We needed the reprojection algorithm to support a variety of different distortions and corrections,” notes Silicon Architect Steve Clohset. “The algorithm RL-R developed that we ended up using is not used in general computing. And to this day, it’s proving to be a pretty powerful tool.”

Once the algorithms were hardened and the hardware was optimized, the silicon bring-up team put the custom chips through their paces.

“Orion’s custom silicon chipset is packed with complexity,” says Senior Director of End-to-End System and Infrastructure Liping Guo. “Bringing-up and validating standalone chips and the interoperabilities across them within a short period of time is incredibly challenging. Luckily, we’re operating within a vertically integrated environment where Reality Labs owns the entire stack—from the silicon and low-level firmware to the operating system, software, and the upper-layer experiences. We took full advantage of this, working closely with our cross-functional partners, and shift-left our cross-stack integration at the silicon validation stage. Orion was our pilot run for this methodology—we built our shift-left muscles and created a strong foundation for Reality Labs to reap the full benefits of custom silicon in the future.”

And after bring-up, it was time to optimize for software.

“There’s an iterative process where you start with a wholly unoptimized software stack, just to get everything booted up and running,” says Snodgrass. “And then, one by one, you go through the subsystems and start to optimize the software for that specific hardware—including reducing the amount of memory that the software uses. The hardware could be beautifully designed, but you won’t achieve the theoretical power efficiency unless you invest as much or more time getting the software to take full advantage of the hardware. So that’s the story of Orion: hardware and software optimized to the hilt. Leave no picojoule or milliwatt behind.”

And while Orion may be a prototype, the work that went into it has considerable potential to influence Meta’s roadmap.

“We look at the silicon IPs that we’re building as platforms in the sense that these are valued IPs that we’ll improve upon from one generation or one product to another,” adds Meitav. “All of the computer vision and graphics algorithms aren’t just built for Orion. They’ll go on to inform future products.”

Our silicon work involves creating novel solutions while also working closely with partners. In fact, the silicon team’s influence extends beyond Orion to both Очила Ray-Ban Meta и Meta Quest headsets today—even though they both use third-party chips. The silicon team regularly shares their work with the mixed reality team, showing what’s possible in terms of power efficiency. The MR team then shares those findings with partners like Qualcomm to help inform future chip designs. And because the silicon team uses the same off-the-shelf digital signal processors (DSPs) as Ray-Ban Meta glasses, they’ve been able to share lessons learned and best practices when implementing and writing code for those DSPs to help improve the audio experiences available on our AI glasses.

And that knowledge sharing goes both ways: The MR team has given the silicon team insights on things like Asynchronous TimeWarp и Application SpaceWarp in production.

“What a person does in production is far more interesting than something that we could do with a prototype,” says Clohset. “We tried to integrate what they were doing with warpings as much as possible.”

Ambiguity < Ambition

Because Orion was truly zero to one, the teams involved had to deal with an inordinate amount of ambiguity by necessity.

“With Orion, I can’t overstate how complicated the ambiguity made things,” says Clohset. “When you make a computer, for example, you generally have a good idea of what the display will be. But we didn’t know what the waveguide would end up being, so we had to go sample different waveguides and come up with a mechanism that could handle the worst-case scenario because we didn’t know where things would land. One optimization here would convolve with all these other choices, and you would end up with this matrix of like all these different things that you had as support and try to validate because you didn’t know where the product would land in six months.”

It’s important to note that Orion isn’t just a pair of AR glasses—it’s a three-part constellation of hardware. A lot of the processing happens on the compute puck, which necessitates a strong connection between it and the glasses. Add the surface EMG wristband into the loop, and the system architecture becomes even more complicated.

“That was enormously challenging for the teams to solve, and all of it just works” says Snodgrass. “It was an amazing collaboration between the silicon team, the wireless team, and software teams all across the organization.”

Orion’s compute puck.

“With Orion, we built out a whole team with a broad diversity of engineers, and they were able to design a brand-new pipeline,” adds Clohset. “It’s a pipeline that handles six degrees of freedom movement of objects in 3D space. It uses its own custom display driver. We had to do really unique image quality corrections. And I think the challenge for us was that, because this was a zero-to-one project, there was no existing spec to tweak and improve. Everything here is completely new, so we had latitude to do everything.”

Much like the puck has some dormant features hidden beneath the surface, the custom silicon punches above its weight, too. While Orion doesn’t allow the user to take photos with its RGB cameras, the silicon is capable of supporting it, as well as codec avatars. And just as the puck helped unlock a true glasses form factor by offloading much of the compute, Orion’s custom silicon proved a necessary piece of the AR puzzle.

“To bring a zero-to-one experience like AR glasses to life, you need custom silicon—full stop,” Snodgrass explains. “Over time, if there’s a market, then silicon vendors will develop products to meet the demand. But for zero-to-one, you can’t just take something that exists off the shelf that’s intended for a different product and fit it into a new mold. You have to invest in something custom. And to bring those zero-to-one experiences to life, you need broad collaboration between software partners, industrial designers, mechanical engineers, and more.”

“By breaking free from traditional mental models, we’ve created something truly remarkable,” adds Shearer. “We believe that this computing platform represents the future of technology—one that will revolutionize the way we live, work, and interact with each other. We’re excited to be at the forefront of this innovation, pushing the boundaries of what’s possible and helping to shape the course of history.”

For more information on Orion, check out these blog posts:

• Crystal Clear: Our Silicon Carbide Waveguides & the Path to Orion’s Large FoV
• Orion’s Compute Puck: The Story Behind the Device that Helped Make Our AR Glasses Possible

Когато за първи път започнахме да правим демонстрации на Орион в началото на тази година си припомних една реплика, която се чува често в Мета - всъщност тя беше дори в първото ни писмо до потенциалните акционери през 2012 г: Кодът печели аргументи. Вероятно сме научили толкова много за това продуктово пространство от няколко месеца демонстрации в реални условия, колкото от годините работа, необходими за създаването им. Просто нищо не може да замени реалното създаване на нещо, да го дадеш в ръцете на хората и да се учиш от това как те реагират на него.

Орион не беше единственият пример за това тази година. Нашият хардуер за смесена реалност и Очила с изкуствен интелект са достигнали ново ниво на качество и достъпност. Стабилността на тези платформи позволява на нашите разработчици на софтуер да се движат много по-бързо във всички области - от операционни системи до нови функции на изкуствения интелект. Ето как виждам, че метавселената започва да се фокусира все повече и защо съм толкова уверен, че следващата година ще бъде най-важната в историята на Reality Labs.

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2024 г. е годината, в която очилата с изкуствен интелект достигат своя разцвет. Когато за първи път започнахме да правим умни очила през 2021 г., си помислихме, че те могат да бъдат добра първа стъпка към очилата с разширена реалност, които в крайна сметка искахме да създадем. Докато слушалките за смесена реалност са на път да се превърнат в компютърна платформа с общо предназначение, подобно на днешните персонални компютри, ние видяхме очилата като естествена еволюция на днешните мобилни компютърни платформи. Затова искахме да започнем да се учим от реалния свят възможно най-скоро.

Най-голямото нещо, което научихме, е, че очилата са най-добрият форм-фактор за истинско устройство с изкуствен интелект. Всъщност те може би са първата категория хардуер, която от самото начало ще бъде изцяло дефинирана от ИИ. За много хора очилата са мястото, където асистентът с изкуствен интелект има най-голям смисъл, особено когато е мултимодална система за да разберете света около вас.

Намираме се точно в началото на S-образната крива за цялата продуктова категория и пред нас има безкрайни възможности. Едно от нещата, за които се вълнувам най-много през 2025 г., е еволюцията на асистентите с изкуствен интелект в инструменти, които не просто отговарят на подкана, когато поискате помощ, а могат да се превърнат в проактивен помощник, докато си вършите работата. На Connect показахме как AI на живо върху очилата може да се превърне в участник в реално време, когато вършите нещо. Тъй като тази функция започва да се разпространява в ранен достъп този месец ще видим първата стъпка към нов вид персонализиран асистент с изкуствен интелект.

Няма да е последният. В момента сме в средата на усилията на цялата индустрия да създаде хардуер с изкуствен интелект. Виждате, че производителите на телефони и компютри се борят да преустроят продуктите си, за да поставят в основата им асистенти с изкуствен интелект. Но мисля, че много по-голяма възможност е да се създават устройства, които от самото начало са с изкуствен интелект, и съм убеден, че очилата ще бъдат първите, които ще постигнат това. Главният изследовател на Meta Майкъл Абраш говори за потенциала на персонализиран, контекстуално ориентиран AI асистент в очилата в продължение на много години, а създаването на технологиите, които правят това възможно, е огромен фокус на нашите изследователски екипи.

Смесена реалност е още едно място, където наличието на правилния продукт в ръцете на много хора е основен фактор за ускоряване на напредъка. Видяхме Meta Quest 3 става все по-добър месец след месец, тъй като продължаваме да усъвършенстваме основната система, многозадачната работа, пространствените потребителски интерфейси и др. Всички тези постижения се разпростират върху Quest 3S в момента на стартирането му. Това означава, че $299 Quest 3S в много отношения е по-добра слушалка в първия ден, отколкото $499 Quest 3 при първото си пускане на пазара през 2023 г. А цялото семейство Quest 3 продължава да се подобрява с всяка актуализация.

През 2025 г. ще видим следващата итерация на това, тъй като Quest 3S ще доведе много повече хора до смесена реалност за първи път. Докато Quest 3 беше хит сред хората, които се вълнуват да притежават най-доброто устройство на пазара, Quest 3S се очаква да бъде силно надарен през 2024 г. Продажбите бяха силни през уикенда на Черния петък и очакваме хората да активират новите си слушалки по време на празничната ваканция.

Това ще продължи тенденцията, която се оформи през последната година: ръст на новите потребители, които търсят по-широк спектър от дейности със своите слушалки. Искаме тези нови потребители да видят магията на MR и да се задържат за дълго време, поради което финансираме разработчици, които да създават новите видове приложения и игри, които те търсят.

Наблюдава се значителен приток на по-млади хора, които се насочват към социални и конкурентни мултиплейър игри, както и към съдържание с безплатен вход. И заглавия като BEHEMOTH на Skydance, Батман: Сянката на Аркам (която току-що спечели наградата за най-добра AR/VR игра на The Game Awards!), и Пробуждане на метрото показа за пореден път, че някои от най-добрите нови игри, произвеждани от нашата индустрия, вече са възможни само с днешните слушалки.

С нарастването на броя на хората в MR расте и качеството на социалното преживяване, което може да осигури. Това е сърцевината на това, което Meta се опитва да постигне с Reality Labs, и в което ще се разгърне най-големият потенциал на метавселената: "шансът да създадем най-социалната платформа в историята" - така го описахме, когато започва да работи по него. През 2024 г. направихме две стъпки напред в тази насока: първо, с широк набор от подобрения в Horizon Worlds, включително разширяването му към мобилните устройства, и второ, със следващото поколение система Meta Avatars, която позволява на хората да представят себе си в нашите приложения и слушалки. И тъй като визуалното качество и цялостното изживяване с тези системи се подобряват, все повече хора получават първия си поглед към социалната метавселена. Наблюдаваме подобни тенденции - новите потребители на Quest 3S прекарват повече време в Horizon Worlds, което го превръща в Топ 3 на потапящите приложения за Quest 3S, а хората продължават да създават нови Meta Avatars в мобилните устройства и MR.

Навлизането на смесената реалност в масовата практика помогна да се разбере какво ще последва. Една от първите тенденции, които открихме след пускането на Quest 3 миналата година, беше, че хората използват смесена реалност, за да гледат видеоклипове, докато са многозадачни в дома си - мият чинии или чистят с прахосмукачка хола. Това беше ранен сигнал, че хората обичат да разполагат с голям виртуален екран, който могат да вземат навсякъде и да поставят във физическия свят около себе си. Видяхме, че тази тенденция се разгръща, като всички видове развлекателни преживявания се развиват бързо в цялото семейство Quest 3. Нови функции като YouTube Co-Watch показват колко голям е потенциалът за изцяло нов вид социално забавление в метавселената.

Ето защо Джеймс Камерън, един от най-иновативните в технологично отношение разказвачи на истории през нашия живот, сега работи, за да помогне на повече режисьори и творци да създадете страхотно 3D съдържание за Meta Quest. Макар че 3D филми се произвеждат от десетилетия, никога не е имало начин за гледането им, който да е толкова добър, колкото МР слушалките, а през следващата година повече хора ще притежават слушалки от всякога. "Намираме се в истинска, историческа точка на пречупване,"Джим каза когато ние стартирахме новото си партньорство този месец.

Това се случва успоредно с по-голяма промяна Марк Рабкин споделени в Connect тази година: Нашата визия за Horizon OS е да създадем нов вид компютърна платформа с общо предназначение, която да може да работи с всякакъв вид софтуер, да поддържа всеки вид потребител и да е отворена за всеки вид създател и разработчик. Последните ни версии за 2D/3D многозадачност, позициониране на панелите, по-добро проследяване на ръцете, интеграция с Windows Remote Desktop и Open Store започнаха да изграждат инерция по този нов път. Horizon OS е на път да стане първата платформа, която поддържа пълния спектър от изживявания - от потапяне във VR до 2D екрани, мобилни приложения и виртуални десктопи - и общността на разработчиците е от основно значение за този успех.

Следващата голяма стъпка към метавселената ще комбинира очила с изкуствен интелект с истинска добавена реалност, каквато разкрихме тази година с Orion. Нерядко се случва да надникнете в бъдещето и да видите напълно нова технология, която ви показва накъде вървят нещата. Хората, които видяха Orion, веднага разбраха какво означава той за бъдещето, подобно на хората, които видяха първите персонални компютри, оформящи се в Xerox PARC през 70-те години на миналия век ("в рамките на десет минути за мен беше очевидно, че всички компютри ще работят по този начин някой ден", каза по-късно Стив Джобс за демонстрацията на Xerox Alto през 1979 г.).

Възможността да кача хората в машина на времето и да им покажа как ще изглежда следващата компютърна платформа беше най-важното събитие в 2024 г. и в кариерата ми досега. Но истинското въздействие на Orion ще бъде в продуктите, които ще доставим след това, и в начините, по които ще ни помогне да разберем по-добре какво хората обичат в очилата за разширена реалност и какво трябва да се подобри. Прекарахме години в проучване на потребителите, планиране на продукти и експериментални проучвания, за да разберем как трябва да работят очилата с разширена реалност, и именно тази работа ни позволи да създадем Orion. Но оттук нататък темпото на напредъка ще бъде много по-бързо, след като вече имаме реален продукт, около който да изградим интуицията си.

Това е урокът, който се налага отново и отново. през последното десетилетие в Reality Labs. Най-важното нещо, което можете да направите, когато се опитвате да измислите бъдещето, е да доставяте неща и да се учите от това как ги използват реалните хора. Те не винаги ще бъдат незабавни хитове, но винаги ще ви научат на нещо. А когато се натъкнете на неща, които наистина са успешни, като смесената реалност в Quest 3 или изкуствения интелект в очилата, тогава натискате педала на газта. Това е, което ще направи 2025 г. толкова специална година: С подходящите устройства на пазара, с хората, които ги използват за първи път, и с разработчиците, които откриват всички предстоящи възможности, е време да се ускори.

Welcome back for another episode of Boz To The Future, a podcast from Reality Labs. In today’s episode, our host, Meta CTO and Head of Reality Labs Andrew “Boz” Bosworth, is joined by Meta’s VP of Wearables Alex Himel.

Himel’s team works on some of the industry’s hardest technical problems, all in the service of helping to build the next computing platform. Like Bosworth, he’s a tenured leader at Meta, having filled numerous leadership roles across the business in his 15+ years at the company.

Bosworth and Himel cover a range of topics, including wearables, augmented reality, and how AI is accelerating and improving the kinds of experiences embedded in Очила Ray-Ban Meta and future products.

They go deep on Орион and the positive reception it’s received since Mark Zuckerberg announced it at Свържете. Just as Steve Jobs recognized the Alto as a turning point in computing, Bosworth asserted that, while we may disagree about the details, it’s hard to argue against this as the future. Himel and Bosworth go on to talk about the tremendous value of prototyping and building, saying how much more they’ve learned about Orion and its input paradigms in the three weeks of using it compared to the years spent building it.

They also talked about the crucial role of AI in wearables, and how it’s becoming increasingly useful in everyday life—especially now that you’re able to ask Meta AI about things you’re seeing and use it to set visual reminders.

Himel also talks about his deep experience in a different kind of stack: sandwiches. With seven years under his belt working in the famous Lange’s Little Store in Chappaqua, NY, where he grew up, Himel and Bosworth get into what makes a great sandwich, where tomatoes really go, and which bread is superior.

You can tune in to Boz to the Future on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and wherever you listen to podcasts.

You can follow Himel on Threads. You can follow Bosworth on Instagram, Twitter/X, and Threads @boztank.